Wine ratings: Just to clear something up: 85 pts is a very good wine
A recent conversation at a wine store has me a bit worked up. I asked someones opinion on a wine and they responded “it’s an OK wine for the price ($13) but I wouldn’t give it more than 88 pts.” I responded “I thought 88 pts was a pretty good score” to be almost interupted with “yeah it’s OK but there are a lot of 90 pt wines at this price”. I had to hold myself back from shaking my head and walking out. At what point did an 88 point wine become “OK” and at $13 become an “OK value.” Wines that I rate 88 pts (Very Good) and are $13 I would buy by the case!
This isn’t an isolated incident, either. Lately I’ve been noticing a lot of tasting notes on both CellarTracker and other websites that contradict traditional wine ratings. Many people will score a wine between 85-89 points, but just trash the wine. They call it hot, undrinkable, etc…but still give it a “good to very good” rating. Therefore, I’d like to clear something up:
| 95-100 | Classic: a great wine |
| 90-94 | Outstanding: wine with superior character & style |
| 85-89 | Very good: wine with special qualities |
| 80-84 | Good: a solid, well-made wine |
| 70-79 | Average: drinkable wine that may have minor flaws |
| 60-69 | Below average: drinkable wine but not recommended |
| 50-59 | Poor: undrinkable wine, not recommended |
An 80 point wine is still a good, well made wine. An 85 point wine is very good. Many people are in the mindset that only 90 pt wines are good and anything less isn’t worth it. By limiting ourselves to the upper 20% of the scale, we’re missing out on a lot of quality wines and wines that are actually pretty good are being overlooked.
Another reminder that ratings are only useful if you understand the reviewers palate. If a critic constantly gives wines 90+ points (ie Jay Miller of the Wine Advocate) they are skewing scale which reduces the power of having a rating system with 50 points of variability. Before considering someones rating, or posting your own, keep in mind what the scores are supposed to reflect and ask yourself whether or not the wine actually merits that value.
A few hours after putting this post up, WineLibraryTV addressed this very issue. For Gary Vaynerchuk’s perspective on this issue and his evaluation of some “89″ point wines, check out “89 Point Wines, What Is The Deal?”

Is a 70-79 really an average wine that is drinkable but has only minor flaws? This is still a recommended wine? The entire world must really be off on the rating system, because I have never heard anyone (who critiques wine) say that they would buy a 79 point wine again, regardless of price. I think that today’s point system is really skewed in most of our minds…Its too bad, I actually think it would be more informative to use the guidelines above.
It’s funny too becuase there are some varietals that barely can ever make 90 points because they just don’t! So people see an 89 point Pinot Gris and think OH mY GOD it must be horrible! So very sad becuase a Pinot Gris could never garner the upper 90 point scores.
Cathy: Let me know next time you come across an 89 point Pinot Gris and I’ll be in line to try it!
Kim: If a wine was $5-6, and got a 78/79, it’s definitely a wine I would try and might be a good “Wedding” wine (for 100-200 person groups on a budget).
That said, I agree it’d be nice if people used more of the spectrum when evaluating wines.