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	<title>Comments on: Drink wine and you get shrinkage &#8211; of your hippocampus!  (Overview of a recent study and rant on the media and science)</title>
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		<title>By: wine sooth &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Balance</title>
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		<dc:creator>wine sooth &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Balance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] need to sensationalize or spin anything). Still, I, and people like Joe Roberts (here and here) and Michael Mohammadi  try to bring some sober perspective to almost daily announcements of the next health benefit of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] need to sensationalize or spin anything). Still, I, and people like Joe Roberts (here and here) and Michael Mohammadi  try to bring some sober perspective to almost daily announcements of the next health benefit of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I feel like this kind of misguided hype happens to almost any scientific study that the media decides to interpret for the public.  I remember a several years ago when I had to convince my mom that nobody was going to steal DNA from her hair to clone her, based off of a local newspaper article she read.  I&#039;ll have to backtrack and see if I can find that one, I think it was in the &quot;New London Day&quot;, a county paper from Connecticut.  They usually provide weekly scientific translations that would be wonderfully amusing if people didn&#039;t actually take them seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I feel like this kind of misguided hype happens to almost any scientific study that the media decides to interpret for the public.  I remember a several years ago when I had to convince my mom that nobody was going to steal DNA from her hair to clone her, based off of a local newspaper article she read.  I&#8217;ll have to backtrack and see if I can find that one, I think it was in the &#8220;New London Day&#8221;, a county paper from Connecticut.  They usually provide weekly scientific translations that would be wonderfully amusing if people didn&#8217;t actually take them seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, i should clarify, its not the scientists calling fox news, its media outlets scavenging journals for hot titles. and whose interests are served by these hot titles? if the journals didnt want spin for breakfast lunch and dinner, scientists wouldnt be forced to feed it to them. 

on the other hand, the story and the speculation are half of the fun of science. the discussion section of the article was created for just this reason, to put ideas and interpretation out there for others to consider. unfortunately, the spin that is granted in the discussion section of the article, often gets confused and misinterpreted as the actual result once the media gets a hold...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, i should clarify, its not the scientists calling fox news, its media outlets scavenging journals for hot titles. and whose interests are served by these hot titles? if the journals didnt want spin for breakfast lunch and dinner, scientists wouldnt be forced to feed it to them. </p>
<p>on the other hand, the story and the speculation are half of the fun of science. the discussion section of the article was created for just this reason, to put ideas and interpretation out there for others to consider. unfortunately, the spin that is granted in the discussion section of the article, often gets confused and misinterpreted as the actual result once the media gets a hold&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey mike, just catching up on posts. glad you are sticking up for the lil scientist guy! i agree with you on many accounts, and ill play the antagonist  for fun.  

anyone that reads enough peer-reviewed papers can see that interpretation is everything. any team with a finding that boarders on hot, sexy science will tend to exploit specific angles that would give the work more exposure.  as a reader and author of peer-reviewed papers, it seems to me that in order to even have a remote shot at being accepted at a high impact publication like nature or science, scientists must over-simplify exceedingly intricate and complicated discoveries, to such an extent that the work is almost unrecognizable to the very investigators conducting the studies. journals love a spin, (they eat it up) especially when the general public can relate to the subject matter.  and scientists love to publish, particularly when perish is the sole alternative. perhaps its not so difficult to understand how investigators, who initially formulate their hypotheses with innate curiosity of what they may find, could get wrapped up in the romance of the discovery. a little polish of this exciting, socially-relevant effect here, a little sweep-under-the-rug of this significant confound, there, &quot;look editors, all clean! call fox news, we got a spiffy little scientific study to help fuel your favorite cause, spreading misinformation and mass hysteria!&quot;  

YES the media is to blame, but what major problems in the world can&#039;t attribute the main thrust of that predicament on the media in some way, shape, or form? 

i agree with mike on the take-home message: dont trust anything the media asserts as fact, be it fox news or science magazine, in some way shape or form its all spin. read and judge for yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey mike, just catching up on posts. glad you are sticking up for the lil scientist guy! i agree with you on many accounts, and ill play the antagonist  for fun.  </p>
<p>anyone that reads enough peer-reviewed papers can see that interpretation is everything. any team with a finding that boarders on hot, sexy science will tend to exploit specific angles that would give the work more exposure.  as a reader and author of peer-reviewed papers, it seems to me that in order to even have a remote shot at being accepted at a high impact publication like nature or science, scientists must over-simplify exceedingly intricate and complicated discoveries, to such an extent that the work is almost unrecognizable to the very investigators conducting the studies. journals love a spin, (they eat it up) especially when the general public can relate to the subject matter.  and scientists love to publish, particularly when perish is the sole alternative. perhaps its not so difficult to understand how investigators, who initially formulate their hypotheses with innate curiosity of what they may find, could get wrapped up in the romance of the discovery. a little polish of this exciting, socially-relevant effect here, a little sweep-under-the-rug of this significant confound, there, &#8220;look editors, all clean! call fox news, we got a spiffy little scientific study to help fuel your favorite cause, spreading misinformation and mass hysteria!&#8221;  </p>
<p>YES the media is to blame, but what major problems in the world can&#8217;t attribute the main thrust of that predicament on the media in some way, shape, or form? </p>
<p>i agree with mike on the take-home message: dont trust anything the media asserts as fact, be it fox news or science magazine, in some way shape or form its all spin. read and judge for yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://foodandwineblog.com/2008/03/20/drink-wine-and-you-get-shrinkage-of-your-hippocampus-overview-of-a-recent-study-and-rant-on-the-media-and-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen this: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?viewID=news_view&amp;newsLang=en&amp;beanID=1024816846&amp;newsId=20080319006304&amp;ndmHsc=v2*A1205924400000*B1205992675000*DgroupByDate*J1*N1010492&amp;epi-content=GENERIC ?
It&#039;s a follow up to: http://mr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR13091.html

I&#039;m curious how this will get spun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen this: <a href="http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?viewID=news_view&amp;newsLang=en&amp;beanID=1024816846&amp;newsId=20080319006304&amp;ndmHsc=v2" rel="nofollow">http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?viewID=news_view&amp;newsLang=en&amp;beanID=1024816846&amp;newsId=20080319006304&amp;ndmHsc=v2</a>*A1205924400000*B1205992675000*DgroupByDate*J1*N1010492&amp;epi-content=GENERIC ?<br />
It&#8217;s a follow up to: <a href="http://mr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR13091.html" rel="nofollow">http://mr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR13091.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious how this will get spun.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definitely a &quot;hot&quot; subject and one that I feel deserves considerable discussion.  

Thanks for the comments.  I&#039;ve had a large burst of new readers the last two days (because of this post) but not many people are chiming in!  I was hoping to hear more about what everyone thought.
 
Pan/Thanatos: Great point on the &quot;secondary ingredients&quot;.  If in fact they repeated this study with proper controls and sampling, and the result was the same, I&#039;d expect more attention to what aspects of wine are actually causing this effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definitely a &#8220;hot&#8221; subject and one that I feel deserves considerable discussion.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.  I&#8217;ve had a large burst of new readers the last two days (because of this post) but not many people are chiming in!  I was hoping to hear more about what everyone thought.</p>
<p>Pan/Thanatos: Great point on the &#8220;secondary ingredients&#8221;.  If in fact they repeated this study with proper controls and sampling, and the result was the same, I&#8217;d expect more attention to what aspects of wine are actually causing this effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great breakdown of the study!  I indeed kept seeing this research mentioned in news sources all over the internet.  Nice to see someone is actually taking time to break it down how it really is for the rest of us non-science wino&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great breakdown of the study!  I indeed kept seeing this research mentioned in news sources all over the internet.  Nice to see someone is actually taking time to break it down how it really is for the rest of us non-science wino&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: Pan/Thanatos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pan/Thanatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you that this study has major confounds. If these people are indeed confirmed alcoholics, that does not mean they will stick to one beverage their entire drinking life. They may prefer wine now, but when they were younger they may have been hardcore on spirits or beer. 
And don&#039;t all alcoholic beverages contain ethanol? I guess the study should really focus on the secondary ingredients and their volumes of consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you that this study has major confounds. If these people are indeed confirmed alcoholics, that does not mean they will stick to one beverage their entire drinking life. They may prefer wine now, but when they were younger they may have been hardcore on spirits or beer.<br />
And don&#8217;t all alcoholic beverages contain ethanol? I guess the study should really focus on the secondary ingredients and their volumes of consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good treatment of a &#039;hot&#039; subject, Michael.
Your skepticism is warranted. 
In medical school, I learned that &quot;how much do you drink&quot; was not as informative as &quot;How much beer, wine, and liquor do you buy each week&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good treatment of a &#8216;hot&#8217; subject, Michael.<br />
Your skepticism is warranted.<br />
In medical school, I learned that &#8220;how much do you drink&#8221; was not as informative as &#8220;How much beer, wine, and liquor do you buy each week&#8221;.</p>
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